The Challenge:
- If God is all loving and all powerful, then he would not have created a world in which there was so much animal death and suffering.
- There is a lot of animal death and suffering.
- Therefore, God is either (or both) not all-loving and (or) all-powerful...and may not even exist.
This is a form of the problem of evil. It is also frequently used by young earth creationists against old earth positions- since the old-earth views tend to recognize that the fossil record provides solid evidence of death prior to man's introduction into creation (thus death existed prior to The Fall). Anyway here's the cartoon (for those with limited time or attention span, you can skip to 5:05 for the main part I want you to see):
The junior cat basically challenges his father's choice to catch and eat birds. Jr. appeals to his father's "humanity". His father counters it by pointing out the obvious thing: he's not a human; he's a cat, and cats catch birds. He stated it in quite a matter-of-fact way, and Jr. had nothing to come back with.
Grounds of the Challenge
It seems that the foundation for this challenge is the anthropormorphization of (projection of human qualities onto) animals. The naturalist does it via the idea of common ancestry (man and animal are really no different). Young earth creationists make the assumption (in their challenge) that animals are moral beings just as humans are, thus their suffering is necessarily just as evil as human suffering (also assuming that all human suffering IS evil).
The Grounds of the Challenge Challenged
Let me first address the naturalist. The anthropomorphimization of animals is consistent in the naturalist's worldview (see my post "Human Equality and Evolution"). So this is not where the argument fails. Where it does fail is when they decide to call it "evil". "Evil" is only a relative term (and likely merely a subjective term) in naturalism. Since there is no objective standard to determine what is "good" or "evil", it is up to the culture or the individual to offer their opinion about the "goodness" or "evilness" of something. Since evil does not have an objective meaning, the challenge makes no sense within the naturalist's worldview.
Of course, the naturalist is not always posing the challenge from within his or her own worldview. Instead, they are posing it as an inconsistency in the Christian worldview. They typically appeal to God declaring his creation "very good". They say that the evil that is the pain and suffering of animals is not "very good". Starting from this point, the young earth creationist and the naturalist are posing the same challenge to the old earth Christian view, so I will address both of them simultaneously.
The Argument
As mentioned before, this challenge (from either camp) rests on the assumption that man and animal are both moral agents. However, scripture never attributes anything to animals that would allow us to believe that they are moral agents. But man is given an attribute that allows him (and him alone) to be a moral agent- the Image of God. Since this attribute was not ascribed to the members of the animal kingdom, they are not moral agents.
Evil is a term relative to the morality of God's nature. Since animals are not moral creatures then we can't use "evil" to describe anything about them. "Evil" is a term that we use to describe things that happen to humans (moral agents), and since animals are not moral agents, "evil" cannot be used to describe things that happen to them. Here is the formulation:
- Morality is a necessary attribute of a being that has the possibility to sin or possess a sin nature.
- Scripture does not ascribe moral or spiritual attributes to animals, but does explicitly ascribe the Image of God to humans
- Therefore, animals are amoral and aspiritual. (1 and 2)
- "Evil" is a term of morality.
- Therefore "evil" is a term that cannot be used of animals (3 and 4)
- Things that happen to moral agents can be described as "good" or "evil"
- Therefore, things that happen to animals cannot be described as "good" or "evil" (5 and 6)
Some may wish to challenge the idea that something "evil" cannot happen to an amoral creature. However to respond to that challenge, I will appeal to and argue from scripture (since I am now arguing from within the Christian worldview, and the Bible is a proper authority in the Christan worldview, it is appropriate to appeal to it). First, God cannot contradict himself (2 Timothy 2:13). Morality is part of God's nature, so he cannot act immorally. Second, God took skins to clothe Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:21). The skins had to come from some dead animal. We have a couple options:
- The animal was already dead. If it was dead prior to the Fall, then there is no need to go further. If it died just moments after The Fall, it would have had to be orchestrated by God because nature does not work that quickly
- God killed the animal
Regardless of the option, to continue to the argument, God must be involved in the animal's death. If God is involved in the animal's death and God cannot contradict his nature, then what he did was not evil. What God did was to kill the animal, therefore the death of an animal cannot be necessarily described as "evil".
Here is the formulation:
- God cannot contradict himself
- Morality is part of God's nature
- Therefore, God cannot do anything immoral (evil) (1 and 2)
- God is involved in the death of an animal to clothe Adam and Eve
- Therefore, the death of animals is not necessarily evil (3 and 4)
I want it to be clear that what I have presented here does not, in any way, serve as a defeater to the worldviews or models of the challengers. The purpose of these arguments is to defeat the specific challenge that the view is internally inconsistent. This is a defensive presentation not an offensive one.
Since it does provide a way for the Christian worldview (and specifically the old-age version) to be internally consistent, the challenge provided by both naturalists (against Christianity) and young-earth creationists (against the old-age view) is not able to stand logically.
Here is another post on the same issue from J.W. Wartick: Animal Death?- A Theological Argument Against Young Earth Creationism
Interesting post; however, the statements made regarding the YEC position on their not being animal death before sin are fundamentally incorrect. YECs do not adhere to a belief in animal death before sin not because they profess animals have a sense or morality or are moral beings. They come to this conclusion based on the context of Genesis 1 and a correct understanding of what "good" and "very good" mean in the original Hebrew ("tob" and "me-od tob" respectively). Add to this the clear statements in Genesis 1 and 2 of man and animals being given plants to eat combined with the curse of sin impacting not just humanity but all of creation and there is no biblical necessity for animal death before sin.
ReplyDeleteMaking assertions that YEC positions are akin to naturalistic/evolutionary presuppositions is certainly a nice try at positioning YEC beliefs in the same arena as those of naturalists; however, it does not stand up to closer scrutiny when the holistic teachings of scripture in regard to sin, death, and redemption are brought into play.
For a better understanding of the YEC position on the matter of sin and death I recommend reading the following articles:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2010/03/02/satan-the-fall-good-evil-could-death-exist-before-sin
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v24/n1/history
http://creation.com/the-fall-a-cosmic-catastrophe
http://creation.com/retroactive-death
Mike,
ReplyDeleteThank you for taking the time to post that comment. I am glad that you brought that up. I failed to make myself clear about what I was saying was the foundation for the YEC belief.
I recognize that YECs get their idea of "no animal death prior to the Fall" from Scripture. I am not denying that. Nor do I wish to make it appear that YECs believe animals are moral beings. What I am contending in this post is that in order for animal death to be evil, animals MUST be moral beings. Since both sides recognize that animals are not moral beings, both sides should also recognize that animal death cannot be evil.
Now, I could be wrong that the ONLY way for animal death to be evil is for animals to be moral beings. The challenge before the YEC, at this point, is to demonstrate how animal death can be evil WITHOUT them being moral beings.
However, if I am not wrong (and the YEC is willing to recognize it), then the YEC must also recognize that the absence of animal death prior to the Fall is not the only valid interpretation of scripture. As I mentioned in the post, I'm not attempting to defeat the YEC view with this argument. I'm only defeating the idea that the YEC interpretation of Scripture is the only valid interpretation. This argument still allows for the interpretation of the absence of animal death before the Fall to be valid, but it allows for the interpretation of the presence of animal death before the Fall to be valid also.
My intended audience for the challenge is only YEC who believe that their interpretation regarding no animal death prior to the Fall is the only valid one. If a YEC believes that the OEC interpretation, allowing animal death prior to the Fall, is just as valid, then the challenge is not directed at them.
Well, I am not sure if this is a good theodicy for natural evil. I think that you could say that animals cannot do evil as your carton perfectly illustrates, but if an animal are in some sense conscious and can feel pain, then I think we as Christians would say that it is evil that animals suffer. The question I think is if animals are conscious, if it turns out that they are, we need another answer than you submit. Can you follow me? I really appreciate your blog, but I don´t think you get it right this time, not everything at least (maybe a hard thing).
ReplyDeleteLinus,
DeleteThanks for the comment; I understand where you are coming from. However, I think there is a gap in your reasoning. In order to get a conclusion of evil suffering, there must be a moral component. Here is the formal version of what you have proposed:
1. Consciousness allows for the experience of suffering
2. Animals are conscious
3. Therefore, animals experience suffering
This is as far as you can go. Since you recognize that animals are not moral agents (and "evil" is a term of morality) then we need a moral component. It would look something like this:
1. Animals experience suffering
2. ?????
3. Therefore, the fact that animals experience suffering is evil
Now, we can infer that #2 should be something along of the lines of "animals are moral beings". But, we both recognize that is not true, so it can't be used. We may also want to use "All experience of suffering is evil", but we see suffering all around us that is not necessarily evil, so that one cannot be used either. Although some people would disagree and say that all suffering is evil- a foundational matter in my argument, so if you don't agree with me, we need to discuss it. Moving on...
What I will offer here is going to provide a nuance to my argument and help explain the boundaries of my conclusion.
I would propose that the only moral component that may go into the #2 place is man (although this will slightly change the conclusion). This is how I would formulate it:
1. Animals experience suffering
2. Suffering caused by a moral being may be evil
3. Man is a moral being
4. Therefore, the experience of suffering of animals at the hands of man may be evil
Notice that what I have here has a moral component that allows me to draw a moral conclusion. The arguement that you presented contains "suffering" "animals" and "consciousness", none of which are moral components. Yet, you wish to draw a moral conclusion. The component that I added was "man". This allows me to draw a moral conclusion. But it extremely limits what animal suffering may be considered evil. It eliminates animal-to-animal interactions (including predation) from being possibly considered evil (#3 would have to state "Animals are moral beings" to draw a moral conclusion).
This means that I have no problem recognizing that animal suffering at the hands of humans may be evil. Notice too that I use the qualifier "may" in the conclusion. I must include that because if I wanted to say that "all animal suffering at the hands of humans is evil" I would have to alter my #2 from "may" to "is". If I did, I would not agree with the premise. And since I do not accept that as true, the premise is limited to using "may", thus my conclusion is also limited to "may".
Because of all this, I don't think that what you present (in its current state) defeats my conclusion or offers a viable alternative. I think, though, that if you can add a moral component to the argument (which you may be assuming, but just didn't articulate), then you may be able to accomplish both tasks, and that would force me to reevaluate.